Parable of the Vine

The parable of the Vine


We will be looking at the parable of the vine and show you how closely this mirrors the picture of Salvation.  It will also help you understand where Lukewarms Christians are going to end up.

WARNING!!!


We will warn you that what we are presenting is going against the doctrinal teachings of many denominations.  Many are going to excouriate this site because we are not following their doctrine.  Many times, the people who are going to say we are teaching ' a false gospel' would be the ones that say that they have read the bible from cover to cover multiple times and will claim to be the 'authority' on the bible because they did that.


So, If you think we are full of it, that's fine.  That is expected. 


All we are asking for you to do is to read the content, then  go directly to the Lord Jesus Christ and confirm with HIM what we have been posting.   Confirm with HIM that the things that have been posted are true.   Confirm with HIM that the conclusions are correct.


After you do that, ask Jesus directly what YOU should do, and ask Him to lay out His plan for YOU.  We do not care what you  think about us, Christian, nor do we care what you say about us.  In the grander scheme of  things, it does not matter.  What matters is that we are presenting the gospel  UNFILTERED and not coloured by church doctrine.  What we are presenting affects YOUR salvation, and if you want to gamble with YOUR salvation, that is on you.  You can blow us off if you want to, but like those people who got killed in Texas at a church, you never know when your time will be up.  Hopefully, those people were on the road to salvation, working to get their sin off of their ledger and not just believing that they were saved.


As we always say, and we will repeat here - don't take our word for anything.  ALWAYS confirm what you read and/or hear with the Lord Jesus Christ and do what He tells you to do.

The parable of the vine


After reading the parable of the vine, we decided to look a little further into it to see what this really means.  Above, we have posted the complete parable as found in John 15:1-8.  It is a short parable, but it is packed with a lot of information that you can chew on as you rightly divide the word.  In this case let's take a look at the major players in this parable.


  • First, Jesus describes His Father, the Lord of Hosts, as the husbandman.  The husbandman is the person who is the gardener, the caretaker, the nurturer of the plant or vine (in this case, it is the vine).  He is the one that is responsible for the vine, and he is also the one that will care for it, getting rid of any defiling elements.
  • Second, Jesus describes Himself as the Vine, as the vine will give life to all of the branches and fruit that come from the branches.  We know this is the case because:


  • Jesus stated that He is the one who can give everlasting life - in this case, the vine will be the one that the branches grow off of, and that vine gives life to the branches.
  • Jesus stated that without Him, we can do nothing - and this is evident in this parable, as the branches cannot grow themselves without being supported and nurtured by the vine.
  • Jesus stated that He is in us as we are in Him - this is evident as the branches are a part of the vine and the vine is a part of the branches, and this will become more significant as we go forward.


  • Third, the branches are the Disciples of Christ, and they are the ones grafted into the vine.  These are the ones that have given themselves as a living sacrifice, who obey Jesus, and who enjoy the living water that flows though the vine.


So to recap - Jesus is the vine, and it is Jesus who gives us everlasting life as long as we are IN Jesus and Jesus is IN us.  We see that is the case where Jesus states that for those who love Him, He and His father will make their abode in them (John 14:23).

That recap is important, because there is teaching that all you need to do is believe and you are saved. No, Christian, you are NOT saved unless you are IN Jesus, and what does 'IN' mean?  It means joined, a part of, and active participant with and NOT just 'believing'. 

Everything in the Bible

is Organic


Before we go on, we want to point out that everything in God's economy is organic.  You can see this is very evident in:


  • Growing in the Lord
  • Growing in faith
  • Growing in your walk
  • Getting stronger as you grow in grace


We can go on with this, but as you can see, nothing just sprouts up without having to go through some sort of growth first.  Like the caterpillar that is hatched from an egg, it is NOT a butterfly until it is transformed into one.  A person who is in sin and in the world does NOT become a saint by just 'believing' that they are a saint; that person has to go through the transformation from being in the world into being a Child of the living God by becoming 'born again'.  You CANNOT be 'born again' unless you are transformed from what you were into what Jesus wants you to be.


The Disciples of Christ

are the Branches


Notice that we did not say 'Christians', and that is because 'Christians' are a part of another vine (we will get to that in a minute).  To be a part of the TRUE vine, you have to be IN that vine and that means attached to that vine, growing from that vine, and producing fruit from that vine.  The fruit that is produced will only be what the vine will supply nutrients for.


So, if you are a Disciple of Christ, and you are IN Jesus because you obey His commandments and grow in grace IN Him, you will produce fruit.  We already know the 9 fruit of the Spirit:


Galatians 5:22 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


The branch will produce the fruit ONLY if it is a part of the source - the vine - and if the vine is of the living water.  Any other fruit that is produced will be cut off and burned, and that is because the husbandman does not want that kind of fruit.  To be a branch on the vine of Jesus Christ, you will need to be a part of the vine, and the vine will be a part of the branch.


Jesus sent His disciples into the earth to proclaim the Gospel, and to produce 'Disciples', NOT 'Christians'.  We discuss what the difference is between a 'Christian' and a 'Disciple' and where the terms came from in our discourse here.  As a Disciple, a person has given their lives to Jesus and their bodies as a living sacrifice to Jesus so Jesus can do what He wants to with them.  A true 'Disciple' will obey the commandments of Jesus, and they will follow Jesus, as they are joined to Him as a Disciple.


'Christians' are what they say they are, and they believe what they believe.  A person is NOT in Jesus unless they are a Disciple of Jesus, and as a Disciple of Jesus, Jesus then provides the things that they need.  He will also give His Disciples HIS Authority to do works that others cannot do.  Always remember that Jesus said 'without me, you can do nothing." as found in (John 15:5).  The world called people who followed Christ 'Christians', and as you can see, EVERYBODY is a 'Christian' these days.  This is not the intent of Jesus, and He is NOT going to accept those that are not His, no matter what they believe.


What is being ‘born again’

and why it is important?


Being born again is where the old nature that you inherited from Adam is killed off and you are remade in the image of the Lord Himself with a new heart which is circumcised.  You can see the discourse between Jesus and Nicodemus, a Pharisee, and why being born again is so important:


John 3:1-9 - There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.


Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?


You can see here that Jesus was trying to tell Nicodemus that to be born again, you have to have a NEW SPIRIT, and those who are born of that new Spirit will be able to see the Kingdom of God.


So what does that have to do with the vine?


Jesus Himself said that He was living water and that water is what keeps the vine viable.  As the discourse with the Samaritan woman shows, that living water is water where you will not thirst, as shown in scripture:


John 4:5-15 - Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.  There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.  The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?  Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:  But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.


So what ‘water’ is Jesus talking about here?  When we look this up in Strongs, we can see that this is what the definition of ‘water’ really means in this instance:


STRONGS NT 5204: ὕδωρ


Abridged from the original definition:


Allegorically, that which refreshes and keeps alive the soul is likened to water, viz. the Spirit and truth of God, John 4:14f (ὕδωρ σοφίας, Sir. 15:3); on the expressions ὕδωρ ζῶν, τό ὕδωρ τῆς ζωῆς, ζῶσαι πηγαί ὑδάτων, see ζάω, II.


See for yourself in the Blue Letter bible, (https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5204&t=KJV)


The living water that Jesus was talking about to the Samaritan woman and the water and the Spirit that He was talking to Nicodemus about is the Spirit and truth of God that refreshes and keeps alive the soul like water does.


So, who do we know is the 'Spirit of God', as we saw in I Samuel 16:14, which departed from Saul?


The HOLY GHOST is the living water, and He will only be around Jesus and God the Father.   If you do not have the Holy Ghost, you will NOT be able to see the Kingdom of God.    Can't you see that only those who have the Holy Ghost residing in them will reside in the Kingdom of God?  This is what makes once saved, always saved demonic. 


All of the angels that followed Satan  who were kicked out of Heaven with him had Satan's spirit and NOT The Lord of Hosts Spirit.    The Holy Ghost departed from all of those angels who followed  Satan and as a result, they were UNCLEAN and foreign to Heaven.  Since the Lord of Hosts  will NOT reside with those who do NOT have His Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, they were kicked out to follow the  spirit of whom they chose to follow.


It is all starting to make sense, correct? 


That vine, the one that is the true vine, that Jesus said that He is, has living water in it that nourishes the branches that are attached to the vine.  So, in effect, anyone that Jesus has made His abode in will live, as He will be powering that life.   


So How does Jesus power life?


As you become a Disciple of Christ, you will learn quickly that what Jesus SAYS is what makes things happen.  The Godhead, which is 3 persons who work in unison (as one), work in this manner:


  • The Lord of Hosts, the Patriarch, thinks  the things He wants done;
  • The Lord Jesus Christ, then SAYS those things  that  His Father wants done, and
  • The Holy Ghost performs the things that Jesus says to do.


This is why it is important to get Jesus to SAY things on your behalf.  As He SAYS things, then the Holy Ghost moves to make them a reality.  The Holy Ghost is not one you want to play with, Christian, as He IS explosive power.   As you pray and ask Jesus for something, if He says NOTHING, then nothing will happen.  However, if Jesus tells you that He has given you His authority to cast out devils in His name, you can rest assured that you are His proxy, and that the Holy Spirit is standing right behind you to enforce what Jesus has given you the authority to do.


Check out the scripture:


John 14:23 - Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


Just so we are clear, let’s look up the word abode to see what that means:


noun

  1. a place in which a person resides; residence; dwelling; habitation; home.
  2. an extended stay in a place; sojourn.


This, my friend, is how you MIX with Jesus.  Jesus will live in YOU and He will make His home in YOU, Christian, IF you show Jesus love by obeying Him.  He will also send you the Holy Ghost who will also live within you, sustain you, teach you and guide you.  Without the Holy Ghost, who ALWAYS glorifies Jesus, you will NOT see the Kingdom of God.


There is teaching out there that states that all you need to do is 'believe' and you are saved.  OK, let's say that is true.  How is that 'believer' going to be sustained and get that 'living water' that Jesus said He would freely give to those who are His?  If they do not demonstrate their love for Jesus, then Jesus will NOT do anything for them.  They will NOT have the living water; they will not grow in grace; they will actually die because they are not attached to the power source which is Jesus!


The Natural Branches of the vine


As the people who Jesus' Father had chosen, the Israelites were the ones who were supposed to be the standard bearers for proclaiming the gospel.  Unfortunately, they rebelled against Jesus Father, and they did not recognize Jesus, their King, when He arrived.  These were the original branches that were to be on the vine, and since they rejected Jesus, the husbandman hacked off all of the branches that were there on the vine and only kept the few branches that obeyed Jesus.


We see this in the parable of the king and the guests who would not come to the dinner the King has prepared for them. You can see this is scripture (Matthew 22:2-14).  The King was so incensed that he went into the highways and byways to gather all of the people there to fill his tables at the wedding feast.


To this day, those who call themselves Jews hate Jesus with a vengeance.  They are NOT Disciples of Christ; however, they tell everyone that they are 'God's chosen'.


Are they?


It seems to be that those who are 'God's Chosen' are those who are IN Jesus, as He makes His abode with them.  Scripture points this out, doesn't it? Are any of these people IN Jesus?  Do any of them accept or join themselves with Jesus? 


  • If they do NOT accept Jesus, then they are NOT 'God's Chosen'.
  • If they do NOT JOIN with Jesus, then they are NOT 'God's Chosen'. 
  • IF they do NOT have the Holy Ghost indwelling them, they are NOT 'God's Chosen'.
  • If they are NOT a Disciple of Jesus, then they are NOT 'God's Chosen'.


They are the wicked guests who could not be bothered with the King, Jesus' Father, when He had called them to be His people.  All throughout the Bible in the Old Testament, you can see that these people rejected Jesus' Father, and Jesus' Father got so fed up with them that He had them enslaved and stopped talking to them altogether for 400 years.  Now, that is some serious hardheadedness that will cause the Lord of Hosts to NOT talk to you for 400 years!!


This action by the  Lord of Hosts is analagous to the husbandman hacking off all of the natural branches on the vine, except for the 12 Disciples He chose (Matthias does NOT count, as Jesus did not choose him; the disciples did via casting lots).     Now that vine, who is Jesus, has a  Hebrew root, but the current branches on the vine are all grafted on, as they are gentiles or  Jews who accept Jesus as their saviour.  At some point in the future,  Jesus is going to go back and deal with those who call themselves Jews AFTER all of the Gentiles are gathered and grafted in.

The Grafted In Branches


So, as we progress in this parable, the new branches are gentiles (and Jews who accept Jesus Christ as their saviour) - those who are NOT Israelites.  As in the parable of the King and the wedding supper, all those who will come will be invited to the supper.  There is also a new covenant, or agreement, between people and the Lord of Hosts, and that agreement states that those who come to God the Father MUST come through His Son, Jesus first.  So, those of you that think you are talking to 'God', you are NOT if you are NOT coming through Jesus FIRST.


So, who are these people talking to?


They are talking to demons, who have given them doctrines that are not true and that will damn them to eternal separation.  You will hear the term 'eternal separation' used when you speak to Jesus for real.  Jesus always mentions that the people who will not abide in Him will be eternally separated; those who blaspheme the Lord's Spirit, the Holy Spirit, will be eternally separated.  We have seen on YouTube some 'preachers' that say that speaking in tongues is of the devil!  Listen to his discourse here.        This YouTube teaching is a few years old, but you can see that the speaker is calling the manifestaton of the Holy Ghost 'something of the devil'.  It is obvious that this person has NO IDEA of the grief He is causing the Holy Spirit.  That person is skating on thin ice.  This person's hatred of Pentacostals is getting him to say that the gift of the Holy Ghost is of the devil.  There are other YouTube teachings from this person, and although we will not post them here, you can see the abject hatred this man has for the Holy Ghost.


Let's sincerly hope that this person comes to himself and repents of what he is teaching before it is too late.


So, as Jesus accepts those who want to be His Disciple, His Father then grafts the branch onto the vine.  Let's take a look at the process of grafting and what it entails.


How do you graft in a Branch?


Here is the process of grafting from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafting):


Grafting or graftage is a horticultural technique whereby tissues of plants are joined so as to continue their growth together. The upper part of the combined plant is called the scion (/ˈsaɪən/) while the lower part is called the rootstock. The success of this joining requires that the vascular tissue grow together and such joining is called inosculation. The technique is most commonly used in asexual propagation of commercially grown plants for the horticultural and agricultural trades.


In most cases, one plant is selected for its roots and this is called the stock or rootstock. The other plant is selected for its stems, leaves, flowers, or fruits and is called the scion or cion.[1] The scion contains the desired genes to be duplicated in future production by the stock/scion plant.


In stem grafting, a common grafting method, a shoot of a selected, desired plant cultivar is grafted onto the stock of another type. In another common form called bud grafting, a dormant side bud is grafted onto the stem of another stock plant, and when it has inosculated successfully, it is encouraged to grow by pruning off the stem of the stock plant just above the newly grafted bud.


For successful grafting to take place, the vascular cambium tissues of the stock and scion plants must be placed in contact with each other. Both tissues must be kept alive until the graft has "taken", usually a period of a few weeks. Successful grafting only requires that a vascular connection take place between the grafted tissues. Joints formed by grafting are not as strong as naturally formed joints, so a physical weak point often still occurs at the graft because only the newly formed tissues inosculate with each other. The existing structural tissue (or wood) of the stock plant does not fuse.

As you are grafted onto the vine,

you are joined with Jesus


As you can see, when a branch is grafted, the branch is cut or notched and the vine is cut or notched so that the branch will grow to be joined to the vine.  You can see a mixing of the vine with the branch, and after some time, the branch grows to be a part of the tree so the nutrients that the vine has can be transferred to the branch.


This is what we mean by being 'joined' to Jesus.  When a person becomes a Disciple, they are 'joined' to Jesus through obedience, which is showing Jesus love, and by giving everything of themselves to Jesus.  No longer will that branch have to worry about growing roots and trying to find fertile soil to grow in, as the living water from the vine - Jesus - will sustain that branch (that is the eternal life that Jesus promised, by the way).  As the branch grows, it grows to be a part of the vine, as it is receiving nutrients from the vine.  This is how a Disciple of Christ is sustained, as the living water (Jesus) through mixing and joining with Him through obedience to Him causes that Disciple to bear fruit.


It really is not that hard to understand.


There are other vines out there


Did you know that Jesus is not the only vine that people are attached to?  Remember Jesus said that He was the TRUE vine, and that means that there are a lot of  vines that people are grafted into that are NOT Jesus.  Many people right now THINK they are with Jesus, and they are going to be very shocked when Jesus says to them 'Go away, I never knew you, you worker of iniquity'.


How does Jesus know this?


It is because Jesus knows all of the branches that are IN Him, as they are a part of Him.  So, when a branch comes up for review and Jesus does not see Himself in that branch, He casts it aside to be burned.


How does Jesus see Himself in the branch?


It is because if the branch has been grafted in, it MIXES with the vine, and eventually it becomes a part of the vine.  This is what the once saved, always saved crowd does not want to understand.  You can believe you are on Jesus vine, but if you never MIX YOURSELF with Jesus on His vine, you are NOT His, and you are cast out to be burned.  You have to do something to get to MIX with Jesus and that is to be obedient to His words.  Show Him love, as the scriptures tell us.


So what other kind of vines/trees

are out there?


Many people are a part of the RELIGIOUS vine, and that vine has people doing things without Jesus and without the living water so that they will not thirst; these people are thirsty all of the time.  They are always doing something that will ‘prove’ their worth to ‘God’.  These people have no idea that they are not serving ‘God’ nor are they anywhere near the True vine, who is Jesus Christ.


Many others are a part of the DENOMINATIONAL vine, which could be Baptist, Methodist, Southern Methodist, Catholic, Lutheran - and that list is endless.  Have you ever wondered why there are so many denominations when there is only ONE Gospel, and that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ?  Why is it necessary to have a Baptist denomination, and then a Episcopalian denomination if all of them worship the same God?  This is the vine that  99.9% of all 'Christians' are on.    These vines have NOTHING to do with Jesus and in these denominations, they don't even like Him.  You can tell  this because you will see these denominations refer to 'God' and NOT 'Jesus'. 


These are the same ones that will be surprised when Jesus tells them 'Go away, I never knew you, you worker of iniquity'.  Why will Jesus say that?  They are NOT a part of the TRUE vine, which is HIM!!


The devil has planted a lot of vines/trees that he has attached people to.   Many are attached to the vine of MONEY, where wealth and power are the fruit.  These people are ruthless, and will do whatever is necessary to get the money.  It does not matter that these people have $2 billion in the bank; they will always want more, as that  drive for more is insatiaiable.


Many are attached to the tree of music, being in the music industry.  This is call 'the game' for a reason.  Others are attached to the entertainment industry tree, and  even the professional sports tree.  There are many young men and women who dream to get that huge NFL or MLB contract so they can be millionaires.  Those in the sports insustry, especially baseball, call the big leagues 'The Show'.  There are many that risk life and limb to be the next big  'sports' star and to    accept the worship that comes with being that star.


Others are attached to the tree of  drugs and alcohol, and  they are enslaved to those substances.    Some are attached to the tree of  fornication and  adultery, and they definitely are enslaved, as this tree can cause many to become sex slaves and sex addicts.  The branches of prostitution, pedophelia, and child porn are  attached to this tree and many are enslaved.  The fruit is rotten (rape, 'snuff' films', child slavery) and the people who are attached to this vine are doomed, as the water from this vine is poisonous and toxic, and that is being passed on to those who are grafted onto this tree/vine.  It takes  Jesus to personally come by and hack off the branch, clean it up, and then graft it into Himself to save that branch.

As with the parable of the wheat and the tares, the devil has planted many vines to attach his people and slaves upon.    Many people are enslaved and trapped on these vines, as they have inadvertently gotten themselves grafted onto these vines. 


As you can see in the picture above, these vines do NOT give life; in fact, they suck the life out of the branches and then leave the branches to die when it is through.  Look at the picture above closely, Christian, and you can see the vine of drugs that this person was grafted onto.  Look at how the devil's vines do NOT bring life or refreshment, but death and destruction.  Look at the degredation over a 10  year period; look at how the person is dying right before you eyes.


Remember - Jesus said that He was the one TRUE vine, so there are many branches that are going to be burned as those vines are hewn down.  This is why it is so important to know that you need to be a part of the one TRUE vine and not on the others.

Jesus cuts off branches from other vines

and grafts them on HIS vine


Jesus will go to the other vines and cut off the branches that are willing to go with Him, and then start the process of grafting them into Him.  When that branch says yes, I want to be a part of your vine, Jesus, that branch is cut off from the vine it is on.  It could be on the vine of prostitution, or the vine of drugs, or the branch of masturbation on the vine of perversion, or the vine of destruction from being on the branch of smoking, or whatever it may be; that branch is taken and notched so it can be grafted in.  Conversely, if a branch that is part of Jesus' vine wants to go and be on the vine of fornication, Jesus will not stop that branch from going to that vine.  Once that branch drops off of Jesus vine, it is free to go to the fornication vine and drink of that water that vine is feeding its branches.  However, that branch may not be able to return to Jesus' vine, as that branch has had the living water but rejected it.


Through the proclaiming of the Gospel, Jesus is extending His hand to those who will come to Him to be a part of His family.  You have heard of the 'Family Tree', correct?  On that 'tree', you have many branches.  Some of the people in your family have been adopted in; this is the gentile on Jesus' family tree.  Some of the people have been born into the family naturally; others have decided that they do not want to be a part of that tree and they go elsewhere.


Think of the Body of Christ, the Disciples of Christ, as a huge multi-branched tree with billions of branches on it, and Jesus knows every single branch on that tree.  As a part of the Body of Christ, you have been invited into the FAMILY of God, and your lineage is in that tree!!  In other words, let's say that you become a Disciple of Christ, and through your work as a Disciple, you produce fruit, which is another person who becomes a disciple.  You now have a lineage, and when you are judged, Jesus is going to see if you have produced any fruit.  He will see that one disciple you produced (fruit), and then He will see the other 20 disciples that that one disciple you produced has produced.  That is a lineage, and you will have quite a lineage.  You already know that Jesus rewards those who produce fruit.


What happens to Branches

that do NOT produce fruit?


So what happens when no fruit is produced?


As the Husbandman, the Lord of Hosts knows how long to nurture a branch so it will produce fruit.  If a branch does not produce fruit, the husbandman looks to see what is wrong with it.  If the branch is refusing to get the nutrients from the vine, He cuts it off the branch so it can be burned.


So how does a branch 'refuse' nutrients?


  • Through disobedience, not taking on the living water, which would be like a virus or a fungus;
  • Through pride, trying to grow a root outside of the vine so it can 'do its own thing'
  • Through ignorance, thinking that the living water is 'not good enough'
  • Through stunted growth, where the branch never grows, and is still on baby formula, like many 'Christians' today
  • Through 'backsliding', where the fruit produced is rotten
  • Through illicit acts, where the branch is rotten, which would be like homosexuality, adultery, fornication, masturbation, lying and stealing.


As you can clearly see, Jesus and His Father do NOT play around.  They do exactly as they say they would do and there is not a thing you can do about it as God will do what He wants, as He wants and answers to no one.  This is why so many people end up in separation from the Lord, as He will warn and warn and warn and then He will move.  Once He moves, that's it.

The Husbandman will cut off and burn

those branches that do not produce fruit


When the husbandman sees any of this, He will address it quick, fast, and in a hurry.  If that branch does not turn itself around, He will cut it off and put it in the pile of branches to be burned.  He will NOT try and graft that branch back onto the vine after it has been cut off.  Please understand that many people play a dangerous game with Jesus thinking that He will continue to strive with them when they rebel.  You can see in Romans 1:28 where the Lord gives OVER those who will not listen to Him  to their own desires, but also sends them a strong delusion so  that they will be damned with no reprieve.  It is when people get to that point where the Lord of Hosts does not want them anymore and leaves them to be with their god, the devil.


Understand that every reasonable effort is made by Jesus to 'rehabilitate' those who are in Him that are rebelling.  Through our study time with Jesus, we asked Jesus about those YouTube videos where there are 'Christians' in hell today.  He replied and said that of those that you see talked about, they have been warned and warned and warned of their behaviour.  In one of the YouTube videos, there was a pastor who knew Jesus personally who was seduced by satan with women.  Jesus said that He appeared (manifested) TWICE to this pastor personally and tried to warn Him of his error.  The pastor would not listen, and when the pastor started to talk against the Holy Ghost (a lot like John McArthur is doing now), that pastor was killed in a car crash and was sent to hell.  Although this is an extreme case, you can see that:


  •  A person can walk away from their salvation, even if they are a pastor, who supposedly 'knows' Jesus;
  • There are multiple warnings given before they are eternally separated;
  • Once that person has been judged as eternally separated, that is it for eternity for that person


The branch that the person was on the vine has been hacked off and in its place a new branch will be grafted in.  This is how a person can lose their salvation, and this is a very serious matter.  That pastor who KNEW Jesus personally decided that he liked the women, the sex, the money and the prestige more that he liked Jesus, so Jesus gave him what he wanted, and now that pastor is in hell, being tormented, with no chance of reprieve.


As a side note - Jesus DOES visit His Disciples from time to time  without  them knowing.  When you are in Jesus' presence, you cannot see as He is so brilliant.  That alone should have  shaken the pastor in the story to want to repent.  Just recently, Jesus has been going to His Disciples and He was numbering them and evaluating them to see if they  are in the faith, as Jesus is going to destroy the 'church world' as we know it  and raise up a new church, full of the Holy Ghost, that will not roll over for the devil as the current church has done.

So what happens to the Branches

that are not attached to the vine?


The short answer - they are gathered up to be burned.  Many people decide to try and tough it our on their own, fighting through on their own accord and power.  Any branch that is not used of the Lord Jesus Christ and are not grafted into His vine are picked up and burned.  It doesn't matter if they are nice or not; are they IN Jesus and does Jesus know them?  Do they have the Holy Ghost?  Take a look at our discourse on how a person is going to be judged here; this is unprecendented and Jesus did NOT have to disclose this, but He has so you will know what is expected of you.


The parable of the vine –

our final thoughts


There has been a lot of talk about salvation over the last couple of months on this site.  It is our sincerest hope that you take what you have read and you go to Jesus Christ directly and get the answers you seek and to confirm with Him what you have just read.  Our goal on this site is to get you to start asking Jesus directly about the things you see and hear about Him.  We want you to ask Jesus directly if what you have read is true or not.  We want you to get into the habit of asking Jesus to show you how He is and His ways.  This way, you will not be deceived by the devil, who is very good at what he does.


There is much deception coming and those of you who do NOT know Jesus Christ personally or have not been baptised with the Holy Ghost who will guide you into all truth, you WILL be deceived and you will be damned because of that deception.  The once saved, always saved people - pastors included - need to be sure that what they are teaching is true. 


As pastors, or overseers, they are held to a higher standard that the rest of us.  We, the ones who run this website, are going to be held to a higher standard because of this website, and we had better have all of our ducks in a row as Jesus Himself will judge us HARSHLY if we even lead one person astray.  This is why we always tell you to check all of what we post and run it by Jesus yourself.  NEVER take our word for anything; check with the Lord Jesus Christ and make sure that what you are hearing is true and go with what He says to do.


It does not matter what we think, what you think, or what we say; it only matters what Jesus says, as He is the Lord of lords and King of kings, and His word is FINAL.  Stay out of endless discussions and debates because that stuff does not matter.  All that matters is Jesus, and since He is the one who is going to let us into the Kingdom of God or slam the door in our faces because we do not know Him; it is best to get to know Him and what it will take for you to make it.

Confessions of faith and ‘just believing’

is NOT enough


Many believe that a 'confession of faith' is all that is necessary.


No.


You have to follow up by giving yourself FULLY to Jesus so He will know who you are.


So what does it mean to ‘give yourself fully’?


Let's say that you were a branch, separated from Jesus, as you were on another vine (we talked about  the other vines earlier).  Jesus sees you, and invites you to come and be a part of His vine.  You can 'believe' that He did, but you are not any different - you are still out there on a strange vine, but you 'believe' you are on the vine that Jesus is.  Many people who are 'Christians' are the branches on the strange vines that 'believe' that they are on Jesus' vine.  You can believe all you want to, but until you are grafted into Jesus' vine, you are NOT a part of Jesus and He is NOT a part of you.


It is through the grafting process where you give up what you were and become a part of Jesus, who will nurture you and grow you into what He wants you to be.  If you do not want to be grafted in, which means you have to give up YOUR life for the life that Jesus will give you, you are not saved, you are not a part of the Body of Christ, you are an exile, and you are slated to be burned.  Can't you see that you have to give up who YOU are to be a branch on the vine that Jesus is?  Jesus will accept you IF you are willing to be grafted onto His vine.  You have just read that you cannot be a part of the vine if you are not grafted onto it.


So, those of you who just ‘believe' that you are saved from a confession only, you are in error.  The confession is a covenant that you have entered into when you 'gave your life to Christ'.  Jesus has kept His end of the bargain, so what are YOU doing?  Are you just sitting there, 'believing', and dying because you have not gotten the living water that Jesus is freely giving IF you were on His vine, or are you doing what you can to get grafted into the vine so you can live?


We have talked a lot about the Once Saved, Always Saved doctrine, and this is the best way to show you that this doctrine is a doctrine of devils.  What is it to you to just ask Jesus to show you what He wants you to do?  Why is it just a 'belief', and no interaction of any kind with YOUR Saviour who will get you, graft you into the vine, clean you up, nourish you with the living water, and make you are part of the Body of Christ, which is His family?  You always have free will to accept or reject what Jesus is offering you, as it is not the will of Jesus' Father that ANY man shall perish  (2 Peter 3:9), so why are you NOT doing anything to make sure you are in the faith?


It will take less than 10 minutes to solve that once saved, always saved issue once and for all.  All you need to do is to ask Jesus directly what He wants you to do so you will be in with Him.  Jesus will answer you, and He will show you what He wants you to do.  Do your best to not get caught up in endless debates and arguments on line or on YouTube when you can go to Jesus directly and ask Him.  He will let you know it is Him for real, and He will guide you to what He wants you to know and learn.

Final Proof that once Saved, Always Saved

is demonic


Now, to those who just want to 'believe' that they are saved, we have shown they are not because they have not JOINED or MIXED themselves with Jesus.  They SAY that they are saved, but they are NOT a part of the vine. 


How do we know that? 


It is because the vine will provide the nutrients for that branch to produce fruit, and the husbandman knows how long to wait to see the fruit that the branch should be producing.  If the branch is not producing fruit, then it is pruned and nurtured.  If that does not work, the branch is cut off and burned.


So, can you lose your salvation?  The answer is NO, you cannot, but you can walk away from it by not producing fruit, and if that branch does not produce any fruit, it will be cut off and burned.  In other words, Jesus has kept His part of the covenant you cut with Him by providing eternal life IN Him, so what did YOU do to keep YOUR part of the covenant you cut, with your own mouth, to Him?


  • Did you do as Jesus told you when you accepted the terms of your covenant?
  • Did you give your life over to Jesus fully as you were supposed to?
  • Did you give your body as a living sacrifice as He asked you to?
  • Were you obedient to Him as He asked you to be?
  • Did you follow Him as He commanded you to do when you ‘gave your heart to Jesus’?


The whole crux of the matter is that you, as a branch, or a Disciple of Christ, have to mix yourself with Jesus so that you are a part of Him and He is a part of you. Can't you see that all of this 'believing' keeps the branch and the vine separate and it does NOT mix?  As we have stated before - Jesus is only going to accept those that are His, and how will He know who is His?  He will see Himself in those that are His!!


Just believing that you are saved is not enough.  You have to be a partaker of the living water which is Jesus.  You have to be intimate with Him; you have to know Him as He will know you.  He will know you if you obey His commandments, and He will clean you up so you are acceptable to Him.  All of this takes time, and all of this is a part of the 'Christian walk'.  This is why Jesus tells us that we 'will be saved when we endure to the end'.  The 'believing' on Jesus is to get Him to make you His Disciple, but YOU have to follow through and uphold YOUR end of the covenant you cut with Jesus.

Now it is time for YOU

to DO SOMETHING , Christian


  We challenge you to go to Jesus directly RIGHT NOW and ask Him if what is shown here is true.  Use this as a means to start a conversation with The Lord Jesus Christ and sit with Him and ask Him questions.  Start with (asking out loud):


“Jesus, is what I just read true?”


He will answer you, Christian, and NOW you will be on the true road to salvation, knowing for SURE if you are going to make it or not, as Jesus would have told you.  Keep talking with Him.  Get to know Him and He will start to reveal Himself to you.  You need to find out for yourself and work out YOUR salvation for YOU, as the scriptures tell us to.


As a part of your salvation, it is recommended that you  FORGIVE the pastors and the churches that were sending you to hell.  For many pastors, this is what they were taught in the seminary.  Many 'pastors' that pastor a church don't even know Jesus and are not authorized to be a pastor, as Jesus did not send them.  Forgive them and pray for them so they may escape damnation by repenting of their sin of misleading many people.  Get more tips on how to talk to the Lord directly here.


In closing, we want to give you an EXACT QUOTE we got from Jesus Himself:


"Disciples of mine will make it into my Kingdom; Christians will NOT."


Take heed, Christian, and don't just blow this off.  What is being presented here is IMPORTANT!!  Read and understand what the Lord Jesus Christ is saying  to all of us.  As we always say, do not take anything we say as the gospel; ALWAYS confirm what you are reading or hearing by running it by the Lord Jesus Christ yourself.  Keep talking to Jesus and He will respond to you.  Have Him explain WHY what is being said is true.  Talk with the Lord Jesus Christ and get to know Him personally.


We will say this again:


We do not care what you believe, Christian, because it is YOUR salvation that is at stake.  All we are saying is that you should go to Jesus Christ directly and ask HIM what He thinks and go with that truth.  As we always say on this site - don't take our word for anything. Go to the Lord Jesus Christ directly and personally ask Him if what is being posted is true or not, and go with that.

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